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Sylvia_scj
Senior Member
Hangzhou
Mandarin
- Nov 3, 2017
- #1
Hi.
I came across this sentence on facebook today and was wondering why "where" was used instead of "when":
It's that time of year
pumpkin-flavoured people treats are everywhere!
Thank you.
sound shift
Senior Member
Derby (central England)
English - England
- Nov 3, 2017
- #2
Google ngram finds that "time of the year when" is much more common than "time of the year where". I would have used "when" in your sentence (but I don't know what 'people treats' are).
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Sylvia_scj
Senior Member
Hangzhou
Mandarin
- Nov 3, 2017
- #3
Thank you, sound shift. "people treats" was mentioned because the person who wrote this was going to talk about "pet treats".
dojibear
Senior Member
Fresno CA
English (US - northeast)
- Nov 3, 2017
- #4
I recognize this use of "when/where". Now let's see if I can explain it.
In casual modern American English, the two words "when" and "where" are used interchangeably as a conjunction introducing an independent clause describing (explaining) something mentioned before that in the sentence.
If that was unclear, here are some examples where either "when" or "where" are used:
1. Halloween is a holiday where/when kids dress in costumes and get candy from neighbors.
2. It's the pre-Thankgsgiving season, when/where lots of stores sell pumpkin-flavored treats.
3. True love is when/where you hold nothing back.
4. We use both these words, when/where they introduce a descriptive clause.
5. New Year's Eve is a holiday where/when you get a lot of drunk drivers. That's why I stay home.
6. Origami? That's when/where you fold paper into animals.
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e2efour
Senior Member
England (aged 79)
UK English
- Nov 3, 2017
- #5
The answer to the question is that when is used in the phrase
at a time whenand where in the phrase
in a place where of in a situation where.
These words are sometimes interchangeable, e.g. He was in the bar when the explosion occurred. But this is really in the bar at the time when ...
If you can use these phrases, it is clear which of the words you should use.
For example, He got up early that morning where the dawn chorus began or There was a large dog in the room when
the barking was coming from.
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Sylvia_scj
Senior Member
Hangzhou
Mandarin
- Nov 4, 2017
- #6
dojibear said:
I recognize this use of "when/where". Now let's see if I can explain it.
In casual modern American English, the two words "when" and "where" are used interchangeably as a conjunction introducing an independent clause describing (explaining) something mentioned before that in the sentence.
If that was unclear, here are some examples where either "when" or "where" are used:
1. Halloween is a holiday where/when kids dress in costumes and get candy from neighbors.
2. It's the pre-Thankgsgiving season, when/where lots of stores sell pumpkin-flavored treats.
3. True love is when/where you hold nothing back.
4. We use both these words, when/where they introduce a descriptive clause.
5. New Year's Eve is a holiday where/when you get a lot of drunk drivers. That's why I stay home.
6. Origami? That's when/where you fold paper into animals.
Thank you a lot
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Sylvia_scj
Senior Member
Hangzhou
Mandarin
- Nov 4, 2017
- #7
e2efour said:
The answer to the question is that when is used in the phrase
at a time whenand where in the phrase
in a place whereof in a situation where.
These words are sometimes interchangeable, e.g. He was in the bar when the explosion occurred. But this is really in the bar at the time when ...
If you can use these phrases, it is clear which of the words you should use.
For example, He got up early that morning wherethe dawn chorus began or There was a large dog in the room when
the barking was coming from.
Thank you so much
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